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Midas Man Caldari Dzark Innovations	Posted - 2009.07.14 09:29:00 - [1] Edited by: Midas Man on 14/07/2009 09:32:11 Originally by: Whitehound Sure, if you pay me too much then I will not mind, but it really is not a fair deal for everyone else who is trading with me. Sure it is they have the same chance of recieving more money for their products, the mechanics are the same for all not just yourself therefore it is fair to all. Originally by: Whitehound Training a skill like Margin Trading or Accounting has little meaning with this kind of system, that is when the amount of profit becomes unpredictable. With only those two over-payments have I made more money then my entire stock is worth. This is just wrong and unrealistic, and needs to be fixed. 1) Margin Trading - This skill only changes the amount of Isk you need in escrow so you are correct it has little meaning in your example but it is extremely useful for any trader and therefore has great meaning and place in the game 2) Accounting is extremely useful for reducing taxes on trading and therefore a great skill for any trader. Also sales taxes are paid by the seller so the more someone pays the more you save if you have trained accounting so not sure I get your point here. I can only assume you paid too much for something and are annoyed that you didnt get you isk back edit fixed some spelling probably missed more
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Innovations	Posted - 2009.07.14 10:03:00 - [2] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Midas Man I can only assume you paid too much for something and are annoyed that you didnt get you isk back No, I happen to be an honest person - something you are not familiar with. A bug is a term used to described something that isnt working as intended. The situation you described is Working as intended. Features and Ideas Discussion This way -------> good luck you will need it.
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Innovations	Posted - 2009.07.14 11:08:00 - [3] Edited by: Midas Man on 14/07/2009 11:09:32 Originally by: Whitehound more random ditherings wrong again, if i right click an item hit sell. typ 0.01 and hit sell. I will sell my product to the highest buy order which could be 1,000,000,000 isk, guess how much i will recieve.... 0.01isk which is exactly what i asked for, no bug no faulty UI just random stupidity from me. works exactly the same the other way when buy, I buy for the price I offer. The UI doesn't make a value up that is different from what I enter, no bug comes along and changes the price I offer. Everything works fine and as intended, if people rush and make mistakes or are to dumb to realise there is a better offer then there is no flaw in the software. Only people with your level of intellegence are fooled by this.
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Innovations	Posted - 2009.07.14 13:30:00 - [4] Originally by: Whitehound And what about buy orders? Do they give me less when I try to sell to an under-priced buy order? No, the game does pick the best available price! So stop pretending that this would be some miracle payment system when it is a bug. Originally by: Midas Man wrong again, if i right click an item hit sell. type 0.01 and hit sell. I will sell my product to the highest buy order which could be 1,000,000,000 isk, guess how much i will recieve.... 0.01isk which is exactly what i asked for, no bug no faulty UI just random stupidity from me. Originally by: Whitehound That is not same. I might as well hit "trash item" and I would not count it as a bug. You just make up one reason after another to cash in. Fine, be a trader with no morals. I choose to be different. What is not the same???? If you hit trash item no bug if you hit sell for 0.01 isk it is WTF are you on about???? you think buy orders dont fill if you put a lower price. Reread the thread clearly you haven't got the faintest idea how the market works or how it should work. Yet you think you can claim something is a bug. You have no reading comprehension but you call others for it. There are 2-3 fail safes inbuilt into eve to stop you selling for less than intended or buying for more than intended. 1) you choose which order to buy/sell from. 2) a dialog box is then shown, showing exactly what your buying/selling for. 3) if you offering well above market price a Warning box is shown asking if you completely sure.
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Innovations	Posted - 2009.07.14 15:21:00 - [5] just to clarify whitehound yesterday i was going to put 6 Low-grade slave Alpha's on the market, in my rush of getting all orders checked and new stock listed in the 30 mins or so i get I selected sell on Low-grade slave beta's and oops sold all 6 to buy orders for ~16m each highest buys were ~24mil. No big deal, my mistake i selected the wrong product and I ignored the dialog box which include info telling me I was selling Beta's not Alpha's. Nothing in Eve forces anyone to sell or buy at a price they haven't had chance double or treble check. Pull out all the examples you want but there is not 1 instance where you can sell at the wrong price without being given numerous ways to spot your error, and thats what it is a USER error not a bug. As you brought real life into it earlier....If you are short changed in a shop (ie you pay more than you wanted) and you leave the store, see what happens when you go back in. The store owner will likely tell you he give you the right change and in future you should check your change before leaving the store. If someone pays you too much in eve they should have checked before clicking OK. There is no bug at work there is no bad mechanics at work. The market is designed in very easy to understand and easy to use manner whereby any error is down to the user and not the interface/program.
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Innovations	Posted - 2009.07.14 16:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Whitehound That is nonsense. There is no reason why only one seller shall profit from a mistake made by a buyer, which is likely the result of having too many offers. If anyone deserves to profit of the mistake then it is the seller who got selected. Just like in real-life, when you walk into a shop and when you can get it cheaper from another shop, but just have not found that other shop. Does the shop you do not know about then get to make the deal? No. What is nonesence is the fact many people have explained that the reason for this is RMT's can easily abuse it. Either you are a RMT and thats why you want this change or your a troll ignoring the answers you have been given and carring on adding nothing further apart from restating a point that has been well and truely refuted many times already this thread.
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Innovations	Posted - 2009.07.14 16:43:00 - [7] Originally by: Whitehound Oh, really? I have filed it now as a bug. I do not expect you to understand it. I want a more just system, because I get a lot of money this way into my account, which is rightfully not mine. Most I keep, because it is just a small amounts and the sum only piles up. Just sometimes does a larger payment stand out. If you should ever pay me too much and I notice it will you, too, get an e-mail in which I tell you about it. And you will get your money back. All the best to you. Good luck with that. if you ever get a payment from me and refund it i will send you back double the amount and tell you my stupidity let me off lightly first time round.
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Innovations	Posted - 2009.07.16 12:51:00 - [8] Originally by: Kapila Parthalan While I disagree with the OP's arguments, I do think the current system could be improved. If you place a buy order at a higher price than the lowest sell order, then the item should be taken from this sell order, as it currently is. However, instead of paying your buy order price, the price could be their sell order price. This would allow you to quickly buy up multiple sell orders at varying prices without paying extra, while the sellers would get the price they ask for. It would also prevent RMT transactions at least as effectively as the current system. The same idea applies when you place a sell order at a lower price than the highest buy order. then your just switching the arguement and instead of the seller getting the better deal the buyer does, why would that make it anymore fair? Not only that but it would require more coding and probably extra load on the server to implement a system where the broker uses AI to match bids. As CCP want to improve performance in hubs like Jita I find the current system is perfectly fair to everyone involved and keeps the game running smooth.
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Innovations	Posted - 2009.07.16 13:19:00 - [9] Edited by: Midas Man on 16/07/2009 13:20:05 Originally by: Whitehound another twist in the original argument Basicly in Real Life and in Eve you can sell whatever you want for as much you want the only thing thats stops you is lack of a buyer. If you want to open a shop and try to sell Mini coopers for $150,000 each there is nothing to stop you. If someone comes along and wants to buy one at $150,000 then there is nothing to stop them. Even if next door sells them at $15,000. If you really want you can go next door and say hey im rich, next door is charging $150,000 but I want to give you $150,000. There is nothing to stop you. The only thing you cannot do in real life is sell things too cheaply as it seen as a way of creating a monopoly. so if you want to keep on comparing Eve to real life complain about "mineral are free" peoples and you might get a better responce. edit replaced a wrongly placed "whatever" with a "as much"
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Innovations	Posted - 2009.07.16 13:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Midas Man Basicly in Real Life and in Eve you can sell whatever you want for as much you want the only thing thats stops you is lack of a buyer. No, not if a competitor beats your prices. obviously you still have your reading disability

Midas Man Caldari Dzark Innovations	Posted - 2009.07.16 14:48:00 - [11] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Mad Maulkin Yes it is!! the seller with the lowest offer wins the bid! he just gets paied what the buyer is willing to buy! its waht you have been saying the whole time!!!! No, one cannot win or buy justice. 1) Yes One can win Justice in a court case. and 2) Yes One can buy Justice in the corrupt country example you give above. 3) you still cannot read
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Innovations	Posted - 2009.07.16 15:21:00 - [12] Originally by: Whitehound 1) No, you win your right in a court, but you do not win justice. 2) Justice that can be bought is not justice, because it favours the one who has the most money. You can be guilty of a crime and be cleared in court this is not justice, So by winning a court case where you find someone guilty of a crime they commited you have won justice. In a corrupt country you can pay to ensure a guilty party is found guilty (usually in a corrupt country people pay to be cleared of crimes they did commit but that doesn't mean it cannot be the other way) And if you haven't noticed yet I'm trolling a troll
Midas Man Caldari Dzark Innovations	Posted - 2009.07.16 16:43:00 - [13] Originally by: Caleb Ayrania Originally by: CCP Begpo KpoBu Topic moved to Features and Ideas Discussion. Begpo KpoBu Hmm if the system works as intended dont this topic still belong in market discussion? I wouldn't say so seeing as the op is suggesting changes to the current system

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